04/27/2009 07:04:36 PM EST

I agree, both IBM and SAP get some tough competion by that. However, SAP while a relatively active user of Eclipse technology has never been very productive in the JCP as far as I know it. And currently EC member (like SAP too btw ;-) I can only see them attend, usually vote, but only contribute little otherwise. They sure may be in some expert groups, but unlike other companies and groups like Sun, Oracle (before also BEA separately), Red Hat, Google or the Apache Foundation they don't normally stand out as Spec Leads or otherwise. TIBCO is a kind of vulture claiming to do big on Ajax, but unlike Oracle or others they never contributed any of it to a relevant standard body. I'd rather see Vivek Ranadivé's worries and blogs as clear indicator of jealosy and a "Why the Hell didn't they buy US for 1/3 or less of Sun's price" symptom. I remember a qualified list a little while ago, I think by a bank or industry analyst. And while banks may have failed in their predictions elsewhere, that contained a couple of companies sooner or later to be purchased. BEA was I think still high on that list, Sun too and yes, obviously TIBCO. Nortel I don't remember, but their Chapter 11 state makes them either go totally busted or finally get purchased by some vendor. IBM, Cisco, HP, even Oracle may find a few pennies left. After all they even recovered from the 10 Bio. BEA takeover to buy Sun for roughly 2/3 of it. Good Luck Vivek, if you survive it, one of those may buy parts of TIBCO, but the Portal will certainly get trashed soon (for good reasons ;-)

SwitzerlandWerner Keil

04/27/2009 08:28:00 PM EST

Remember when Microsoft bought FoxPro? JAVA and MySQL are toast.

United StatesSly Fox